Balanced On the Edge

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   Michelle

   December 6, 2009 at 11:21 am

   Isn’t it cool hearing stories that you might otherwise not have heard had you not been studying? I’ve never heard the story of Susanna, but really like the title ‘Peter Quince and the Clavier’. Doesn’t it evoke sepia images and the smell of must?

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   christine

   December 8, 2009 at 7:38 pm

   I can see why you’d say that, Michelle. The whole poem sort of does the same, in an odd way.

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   Julie

   December 13, 2009 at 12:24 pm

   If I remember correctly, the elders were much worse than voyeurs in the Old Testament version. They cornered Susanna in the garden and told her they would have her put to death if she did not have sex with them. If she said no, they told her they would publicly announce that she had been having sex with a young man. The penalty would be death.

   She remained loyal to God, and would not have sex with the elders, regardless of the threat of death. God saved her for her faithfulness. The elders were put to death for their false witness. It was unusual in her time and culture for a woman to be spared death when accused by elders.

   I’ve always thought of Susanna’s story as one of the strength of a woman. I could be wrong with my interpretation (and I need to go back and read the Old Testament version…my facts may be off), but I think it took a lot of guts to do what she did. The reason I love this picture is because it feels like Susanna’s strength to me. I love the muscles in her legs!

   As a student, Steven’s poem annoyed me, because it portrays her as an object of “desire” and nothing more. Or at least it felt that way to me at the time I read it. Now I’m interested to go back and read it again. Thanks, Christine! I ramble too much, but your posts are so interesting. Have a beautiful weekend:)

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   christine

   December 14, 2009 at 9:15 am

   Julie, thanks for providing a fuller story of what happened to Susanna. Now I’m wondering why this story was cut from the Book of Daniel. I read it was part of the apocrypha. The plot thickens…

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   Robert in Seattle

   July 3, 2014 at 12:06 pm

   It would be a severe misreading of Wallace Stevens, one of our greatest and most exquisitely discerning poets, to think that he had himself misread the essence of the story of Sussana and the Elders. The tale, of course, is of Virtue steadfast, triumphing in the face of unvirtuous lust and deceit…and Susanna is the innocent victim of what her own beauty stimulates in the inconstant elders.

   Do go back to Stevens’ marvelous poem, a lyric in praise of timeless and enduring beauty–its enduring essence, not its momentary expression–and of Sussana herself. It ends with these words:

   Susanna’s music touched the bawdy strings
   Of those white elders; but, escaping,
   Left only Death’s ironic scraping.
   Now, in its immortality, it plays
   On the clear viol of her memory,
   And makes a constant sacrament of praise.

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      Christine

      July 3, 2014 at 12:46 pm

      Wallace Stevens was not infallible. He was a man of his times, possibly racist:

      It happened during the meeting of the National Book Award committee that gave the poetry prize to Marianne Moore. While waiting for Peter Viereck, the last of the judges, delayed by a snowstorm, to arrive, the other five (Winfield Townley Scott, Selden Rodman, Conrad Aiken, Wallace Stevens, and William Cole) passed the time looking at photographs of previous meetings of National Book Award judges. Gwendolyn Brooks appeared in one of these. On seeing the photo, Stevens remarked, “Who’s the coon?” (The meeting, it should be noted, took place after lunch, which for the poet had probably begun with two healthy martinis and continued with a fine bottle of wine.) Noticing the reaction of the group to his question, he asked, “I know you don’t like to hear people call a lady a coon, but who is it?”
      – Joan Richardson, Wallace Stevens – The Later Years (1923-1954). New York: Beech Tree Books, 1988. (Pgs. 388-389)

      –Major Jackson,”After Lunch,” The Poetry Foundation.
      Many of his poems are exquisitely rendered, highly philosophical, and well thought out. Others are purposely obtuse, such as The Emperor of Ice Cream.

      As a woman and a poet of the 21st century, I reserve the right to look at the poetry of those who have come before me and evaluate it. I understand Stevens’s ultimate goals with Peter Quince at the Clavier. The language is beautiful. But the story of Susanna is not about mere desire. By treating the subject in this way, Stevens reveals a certain disregard for women. He objectifies Susanna in this poem. Probably he couldn’t help it. He was a man of his times.

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   Robert in Seattle

   July 4, 2014 at 1:29 am

   I’m ignorant of Stevens’ racial attitudes, and of course find it distressing that any poet could harbor such thoughts. And I do not attribute infallibility to anyone…

   On the immediate topic, I hope I am not heard to say that the story of Susanna is about mere desire.

   I read it in part about her being “victimized by beauty,” a constant theme of woman’s presence in a rapacious world right through history…in part about the inability of supposedly righteous and ‘spiritually trained’ males to overcome the lust that is a constant theme in male history, and the triumph of Virtue (in this case, at least–how many equally innocent women [and men] have been stoned to death in the run of years in roughly equivalent circumstances?).

   The story is an important one, I think, in the Jewish tradition of self-examination and the commitment to the rule of law (although the intended punishment for her, and the actual one meted out to the Elders, seems excessive).

   As my earlier offering suggests, I have felt that Stevens did have an understanding of the complexities, and that they are discoverable in a reading of the poem.

   I will leave any final thoughts to you, with an appreciative note on having found your site, and with all best wishes.

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